tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5338685099176953133.post4901734005807638524..comments2024-03-02T02:02:42.221-08:00Comments on "The Drive to Net Zero": Mini-E #183, 2 years, 30,000 miles.The Norby'shttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04485407536555106838noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5338685099176953133.post-14047551841203526682011-06-19T13:40:05.107-07:002011-06-19T13:40:05.107-07:00Hi Chris,I have thought much about the cost of bat...Hi Chris,<br>I have thought much about the cost of batteries/electric motors and the cost of a traditional drive train. I agree that the role of batteries is fuel storage. <br><br>Comparing that fuel storage to a fuel tank the ice car is way cheaper. However if you then factor the drive train between gas and electric the electric car with it’s simple and small motor and controller is far cheaper that the ice engine/transmission/exhaust of an ice car.<br> <br>Considering the ice car is warranted for 5 years and 60-70 k miles typically, and the electric car is 7 years and 100k typically, I don’t think we can yet say which car is going to be cheaper to repair or replace either the battery for the electric car or the engine/transmission of a gas car. I really think you could make strong arguments for both cases. <br><br><br>My guess is that by 2013-2015 a drive train combo including the batteries for both cars will be about the same cost, with the electric cars warranty growing in miles and years as the tech continues to improve.<br><br>So for me I tend to lump the battery in as a drive train cost and I think over the long haul (25 years and the warranted life of the solar PV system) it will be as cheap to repair or replace, and last just as long or longer than an ice drive train.<br><br>Certainly for the next few years there is a significant entry cost for the electric car. <br>Cheers<br>PederAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5338685099176953133.post-49718351467976852512011-06-17T09:48:51.876-07:002011-06-17T09:48:51.876-07:00Peder,Great, reflective and thought-provoking entr...Peder,<br>Great, reflective and thought-provoking entry. I am inspired by your example, and jealous that it's taking so long for us to be able to follow it, thanks to Nissan's foot-draggingly slow rollout of the LEAF, especially in the so-called "forgotten 36" states like Colorado.<br><br>In terms of the anti-EVers, their "America can't do it" attitude is completely, and totally, anti-American. <br><br>Wish someone with much more stature than me would hit the anti-EVers on this, many of whom are Rush Limbaugh type conservatives who claim to be the "most American" Americans out there. Not true, so not true!Christof Demont-Heinrichhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14127210363139764239noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5338685099176953133.post-20888162839841774002011-06-14T13:45:43.375-07:002011-06-14T13:45:43.375-07:00This is so awesome! Do you have a guide that could...This is so awesome! Do you have a guide that could help me figure out what you are doing? I live in Tucson, AZ where we have the Leaf. I would rather have a Mini-E though. How long do you get to keep the Mini? What do you plan to do after you have to give it up or has that changed now? Thanks for being a pioneer!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5338685099176953133.post-82775791231224711262011-06-13T13:56:44.740-07:002011-06-13T13:56:44.740-07:00Hi mvoorberg,The cost of the Solar PV is determine...Hi mvoorberg,<br><br>The cost of the Solar PV is determined by 15,000 miles multiplied by .25kwhs per mile for a total of 3750 khw per year to power the car. A 1.7 kw solar pv system in sunny states like California will produce 2635kwh a year. As part of our larger sytem to power the home and car the per kw system price was $4,000 for a total cost of our gas station of $6,800.<br><br>In our case this production is at peak time when we are at work and we are paid $0.29 per kwh produced. We plug in and power our car at super off peak times between midnight and 7am for $0.14 per kwh hour. The net result is that the 2635 kwh produced at peak time is the same cost as 3750kwh used at off peak. This is called time of use metering. <br><br>My prior car was a volvo s60 and averaged 20 miles per galon or $3,000 a year for gas. Three year total $9,000 a year.<br><br>Cheers<br>PederAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com